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Comment on Shock, Horror!!! Holding The Front Page At The Royal NZ Herald by thehawkreturns

thehawkreturns — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:51:45 +0000

Q: “What will happen to the Herald’s proud record of investigative reporting, detailed commentary and analysis and extensive political coverage?”

A: What a load of bollocks. If the Herald ever had such a record it hasn’t had it since 1994 when I started reading it.
Sorry Janet, either you have been asleep for the last 16 years
or you are talking out your arse luv. Sure, there are a few decent writers, Gaynor, Amstrong and O! Sullivan. But “investigative”? Come on girl, get a job you know something about.

Comment on Shock, Horror!!! Holding The Front Page At The Royal NZ Herald by Paul Mack

Paul Mack — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 07:13:23 +0000

@james, Just look at the US society struggling to move forward in some small way and being constantly sat on by it’s Corporate institutions. The stock markets thirty years of growth has now made it an immovable multi faceted hydra “institution” of, banking, insurance, health and commodity trading incapable of any socially supportive change at all. Without the balance of a solvent “marketplace” free makrket economics simply falls apart and nothing can happen financially except a slow decay. Surely we should be moving toward freedom and fulfillment and not towards a simplistic form of corporate slavery. Do you think your “paid” voice makes a difference James? I wish you luck .To me you sound like a perfect corporate horse, full of self but lacking in perspective, unable to see past your own performance in your job. Giddy up James, giddy up. No its going to take balls my friend not words. Sorry mate, but I don’t think any of this is a joke as I think you might. Children people and families come before dollars, allways.

Comment on Shock, Horror!!! Holding The Front Page At The Royal NZ Herald by Merv

Merv — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:24:15 +0000

“God Save the Royal New Zealand Herald and all who have to read it.”

As grim as that, you reckon?

Comment on Shock, Horror!!! Holding The Front Page At The Royal NZ Herald by James Murray

James Murray — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 00:57:21 +0000

@Falafulu Well I studied at journalism school as a post-grad and I dont think my course was full of unintelligent people at all. I think it is certainly useful to have studied a subject outside the media though before you learn the trade of being a journalist. I Dont agree that people who excel at engineering or science necessarily make good journalists though – people with these skills are often highly detailed mono-thinkers – a journalist needs to be an intelligent, jack of all trades – able to understand something complex and then write about it in a way that those who are not experts in a field are able to understand and enjoy. That’s not to say there arent people who dont have both sets of skills.
@Paul – well I am an editor of a reasonable big corporate news organisation. Although it is not up to me to talk about my skills etc – however, I regularly make decisions about stories, editorial and commission writers with no demands from the corporate side of the business. I have never once been told to do something or not do something for an advertiser (with the obvious and necessary exception of things like competitions).
I am also a bit confused about what you have written – you say large media organisations lack the necessary balance to move forward but then say the only way forward is bloggers – who are on the whole unbalanced. Which do you mean – do you foresee a world where we get our news from small micro organisations like bloggers, all of whom may have their own agenda?
It can obviously take larger media organisations longer to roll with the times – they are by nature a bit slower because of their size – however, that does not mean there are not people of high ability within those organisations driving change.
These people do exist – they need to be supported by current management (and where I work they are) and allowed to thrive and put their stamp on mainstream news.
As for editors with the necessary skills at big newspapers etc – Rusbridger at the Guardian, Andrew Marr would have been great at the independent if he had come in at a diff time.

Comment on Shock, Horror!!! Holding The Front Page At The Royal NZ Herald by EC

EC — Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:02:40 +0000

Such a true article, the news media in NZ is becoming a disgrace at the hands of cheesy little characters like Currie. Reading the NZ Herald is becoming distasteful, but worse, they’re ignoring the responsibilty they have on shaping society in NZ.

Comment on Shock, Horror!!! Holding The Front Page At The Royal NZ Herald by Falafulu Fisi

Falafulu Fisi — Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:13:54 +0000

James Murray said…
“we need editors with the brains and ability to sell the latter”

Yes, you’re right there James! Anyone who studies journalism is someone who has no brain at all. Put it this way, candidates who would want to apply to University to study subjects that need brains such as engineering or science for example, but get rejected on the ground/s that they’re low achievers (may be they got low marks at high school) would definitely find themselves easily accepted to enroll in journalism courses. We know what that means.

I think that journalism schools should up their game by requiring their students to take papers in science and engineering as part of their courses. This will definitely make them knowledgeable in their reporting capabilities when they complete their courses.

Comment on Shock, Horror!!! Holding The Front Page At The Royal NZ Herald by Falafulu Fisi

Falafulu Fisi — Tue, 09 Mar 2010 20:55:42 +0000

I consider myself to be up to date in current affairs by watching TV news and reading NZ Herald. I found out recently that I can still be knowledgeable in current affairs by abandoning watching TV and reading NZ Herald, so I had canceled my Herald subscription mid year last year (2009). I mainly get my news and current affairs from the internet and thus avoid information overload at the same time. Both TV news and print media they bring rubbish to the viewers & readers. They have more guest appearances from or print useless stories about psychics rather than anything of real substance.

Comment on Shock, Horror!!! Holding The Front Page At The Royal NZ Herald by Paul Mack

Paul Mack — Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:28:54 +0000

@James, can you show me one of your “editors with the brains and ability to sell”? They exist in small communities but no longer in big communities, where they need Corporate Horses capable of being ridden. There is a great need for change in our world but those most in need of change are now heavily “Institutionalized”, and it this institutional Corporate influence that resists change the most of all. Banks cannot change because the Banking industry is totally institutionalized and it is now a Goliath. Another institution now quite incapable of change is our modern Corporate media. Quite incapable of exhibiting the necessary balance needed to drive any kind of change. It’s not rocket science. James in all these sectors you do have conscious humans but they simply cannot speak freely anymore because their jobs are at stake. This is why I say Journalism as we have known it is a very dead duck. Sorry mate,Quack querwk! Blogging is the only freedom left but it is seldom read, crazy world eh James?

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